What do People Think of Final Thrust and Galrath Slash? - Guild Wars Forums

Sir Tidus · Mar 12, 2008, 08:54 PM // 20:54

Which one do you think is better? Final thrust or galrath slash? Final thrust can do a lot more damage, but is it really worth losing all your adrenaline? Plus it costs 10 strikes of adrenaline. Which do you think is better? What if I had to pick between the two?

MisterB · Mar 12, 2008, 09:01 PM // 21:01

Galrath is better for DPS in PvE, or damage over time; Final Thrust is a terrific spike skill.

Wirt · Mar 12, 2008, 09:24 PM // 21:24

It depends on which is better. Obviously if the enemy has greater than 50% health, galrath is better. If its below 50%, I prefer <25% then Final is better so you get the kill over with. Usually if i have both skills on my bar, I make sure I expire all the adrenaline skills then hit with final, that way you dont lose too much in losing all adrenaline.

In terms of which to take, i have several builds that use both galrath and final, but mess around with it and come up with a build that you are effective with.

matsif · Mar 12, 2008, 09:25 PM // 21:25

its really a horse a piece IMO, when I used sword I used final thrust because most of the time by the time I had the 10 adrenaline for it, the enemy I was focused on was below the 50% req for double damage, so it turned out better

I switched to axe tho, and I prefer it to sword now that I started using it. sword is only good for ripostes for farming builds, general PvE I think its better for axe.

Taurus · Mar 12, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by MisterB

Galrath is better for DPS, or damage over time; Final Thrust is a terrific spike skill.

Yeah you're completely right, especially after it was in one of the 64 skills in the winning team of the first guildwars championship ever.

sorry, lost my sarcasm sign

MisterB · Mar 12, 2008, 09:30 PM // 21:30

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Originally Posted by Taurus

Yeah you're completely right, especially after it was in one of the 64 skills in the winning team of the first guildwars championship ever.

sorry, lost my sarcasm sign

You're talking about PvP; my post, and the OP's question, was about PvE.

Try again.

the kurzick eater · Mar 12, 2008, 09:32 PM // 21:32

final thrust > galwrath.. me and a guildie had a disagreement with this lately too... and final thrust is just a better skill in general for PvP

Sir Tidus · Mar 12, 2008, 11:14 PM // 23:14

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Originally Posted by the kurzick eater

final thrust > galwrath.. me and a guildie had a disagreement with this lately too... and final thrust is just a better skill in general for PvP

Final Thrust does terrific damage. But it takes kinda long to get 10 adrenaline, plus I hate losing all my adrenaline just for one attack. Oh, what about body blow?

ogre_jd · Mar 13, 2008, 01:52 AM // 01:52

Galrath Slash is way too expensive for what it does. Give me Power Attack any day. Even with "For Great Justice!" it takes too long for Galrath Slash to fill up - could likely do two, perhaps even three (since you might miss on a couple of the regular melee attacks), Power Attacks in that time to do a lot more of damage and help get the foe below 50% for your Final Thrust or other spiking adrenaline skill.

Kale Ironfist · Mar 13, 2008, 06:34 AM // 06:34

Why not? It has a better bonus damage until you reach 16 attribute at a lower adrenaline cost.

Sir Tidus · Mar 13, 2008, 03:58 PM // 15:58

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Originally Posted by Kale Ironfist

Why not? It has a better bonus damage until you reach 16 attribute at a lower adrenaline cost.

Yeah, but it's strength attribute, and in general your weapon mastery is higher than strength. But I guess in my case, it's pretty good, because I got two casters with lighting orb to cause cracked armor.

The Meth · Mar 13, 2008, 04:16 PM // 16:16

Personally, I would go with Galrath over Final Thrust for PvE. The reason being that you don't need spike damage in PvE, you need consistent, sustainable damage.

Now, comparing it to other skills, Sun and Moon Slash is usually better then galrath slash, because two attacks = two adren, it is unblockable, and the extra attack almost makes up for not having + damage. Body Blow is also generally superior to Galrath Slash, if we assume a 14/12 sword/strength distribution, both Body Blow and Galrath do the same +damage per adrenaline, and Body Blow will have the opportunity to inflict a deep wound (which is absolutely devastating) and more often skill uses lets your strength bonus come into play more (which is admittedly, rather minor). And if you have the spare energy in your buld, power attack beats galrath easily.

House Silvermoon · Mar 13, 2008, 04:31 PM // 16:31

both skills are kinda sucky overall. i used to use them but i've since then found replacements for them.

Sir Tidus · Mar 13, 2008, 04:33 PM // 16:33

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Originally Posted by The Meth

Personally, I would go with Galrath over Final Thrust for PvE. The reason being that you don't need spike damage in PvE, you need consistent, sustainable damage.

Now, comparing it to other skills, Sun and Moon Slash is usually better then galrath slash, because two attacks = two adren, it is unblockable, and the extra attack almost makes up for not having + damage. Body Blow is also generally superior to Galrath Slash, if we assume a 14/12 sword/strength distribution, both Body Blow and Galrath do the same +damage per adrenaline, and Body Blow will have the opportunity to inflict a deep wound (which is absolutely devastating) and more often skill uses lets your strength bonus come into play more (which is admittedly, rather minor). And if you have the spare energy in your buld, power attack beats galrath easily.

K, ty. Yeah, I love power attack. I guess galrath slash is a gonner then. The problem is, I can't think of any other good skills to put on my skill bar. This is what I have: severe artery, gash, body blow, power attack, deadly riposte. Can anyone recommand 2 more skills to me from either prohecies or EotN?

Wirt · Mar 13, 2008, 05:04 PM // 17:04

Hey heres something for a change, how bout [skill]Desperate Blow[/skill], [skill]Grapple[/skill] and [skill]Balanced Stance[/skill] (is balanced and desperate tactics, i forget). But you get one automatic condition with good damage (with high tactics), and an easy KD with graple without the bad effects of those 2 skills when you are using balanced.

But if you stick with the bar you stated, how bout a self heal, a 75% miss stance [skill]shield stance[/skill] or [skill]defensive stance[/skill], and a resurrect, or even [skill]"watch yourself"[/skill] or [skill]"shields up"[/skill]. Also you dont have an elite yet, correct?

edit: Huh cant get the skill icons to work all the time, maybe its my spelling. And after reading description on defensive stance, eh, shield stance is better for your build.

The Meth · Mar 13, 2008, 05:05 PM // 17:05

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

K, ty. Yeah, I love power attack. I guess galrath slash is a gonner then. The problem is, I can't think of any other good skills to put on my skill bar. This is what I have: severe artery, gash, body blow, power attack, deadly riposte. Can anyone recommand 2 more skills to me from either prohecies or EotN?

I would drop deadly riposte, its not worth speccing into tactics just for that rather mediocre skill. I would also heavily recommend an IAS, and the best one you can get is frenzy. 33% ias will mean you do 50% more damage (33% actually means you attack in 33% less time, so you get 50% more hits in). Since you have frenzy, you need a cancel stance, for which I would recommend sprint or rush.

As an alternative for if you don't feel comfortable using frenzy, you can get the Dwarven PvE skill Drunken Master, which when at high dwarve rank will give you 15% sustainable IAS, or 33% if you are drunk (keep a few ales in your inventory and use it for the real tough dungeon bosses and such)

Sir Tidus · Mar 13, 2008, 05:16 PM // 17:16

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Originally Posted by Wirt

Hey heres something for a change, how bout [skill]Desperate Blow[/skill], [skill]Grapple[/skill] and [skill]Balanced Stance[/skill] (is balanced and desperate tactics, i forget). But you get one automatic condition with good damage (with high tactics), and an easy KD with graple without the bad effects of those 2 skills when you are using balanced.

But if you stick with the bar you stated, how bout a self heal, a 75% miss stance [skill]shield stance[/skill] or [skill]defensive stance[/skill], and a resurrect, or even [skill]"watch yourself"[/skill] or [skill]"shields up"[/skill]. Also you dont have an elite yet, correct?

edit: Huh cant get the skill icons to work all the time, maybe its my spelling. And after reading description on defensive stance, eh, shield stance is better for your build.

What about displined stance? Superior or inferior to shield stance? I love shield stance except for the 33% movement slowing. Isn't that kind of bad for a damage dealer?

Sir Tidus · Mar 13, 2008, 05:21 PM // 17:21

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Originally Posted by The Meth

I would drop deadly riposte, its not worth speccing into tactics just for that rather mediocre skill. I would also heavily recommend an IAS, and the best one you can get is frenzy. 33% ias will mean you do 50% more damage (33% actually means you attack in 33% less time, so you get 50% more hits in). Since you have frenzy, you need a cancel stance, for which I would recommend sprint or rush.

As an alternative for if you don't feel comfortable using frenzy, you can get the Dwarven PvE skill Drunken Master, which when at high dwarve rank will give you 15% sustainable IAS, or 33% if you are drunk (keep a few ales in your inventory and use it for the real tough dungeon bosses and such)

Yes, I want an IAS. And yeah, I don't like Frenzy. What about Flurry?

Wirt · Mar 13, 2008, 06:26 PM // 18:26

Problem with [skill]disciplined stance[/skill] is it cancels when you use an adrenaline based skill. Since you have a mixed bar of energy and adrenaline skills, it wont work too well. Thats why shield stance may be better for your build, only problem is the 33% slower movement. So I guess your got to weigh the pros and cons, or modify the build to use skills to their fullest.

Racthoh · Mar 13, 2008, 06:30 PM // 18:30

Final Thrust > Standing Slash > Galrath Slash.

Mar 12, 2008, 08:54 PM // 20:54	#1
Sir Tidus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2008	What do People Think of Final Thrust and Galrath Slash? Which one do you think is better? Final thrust or galrath slash? Final thrust can do a lot more damage, but is it really worth losing all your adrenaline? Plus it costs 10 strikes of adrenaline. Which do you think is better? What if I had to pick between the two?

Mar 12, 2008, 09:01 PM // 21:01	#2
MisterB Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy Guild: [ban] Profession: W/	Galrath is better for DPS in PvE, or damage over time; Final Thrust is a terrific spike skill. Last edited by MisterB; Mar 12, 2008 at 09:37 PM // 21:37.. Reason: bolded for literacy-challenged users

Mar 13, 2008, 05:04 PM // 17:04	#15
Wirt Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2007 Guild: Conscripts of Ascalon Profession: W/	Hey heres something for a change, how bout [skill]Desperate Blow[/skill], [skill]Grapple[/skill] and [skill]Balanced Stance[/skill] (is balanced and desperate tactics, i forget). But you get one automatic condition with good damage (with high tactics), and an easy KD with graple without the bad effects of those 2 skills when you are using balanced. But if you stick with the bar you stated, how bout a self heal, a 75% miss stance [skill]shield stance[/skill] or [skill]defensive stance[/skill], and a resurrect, or even [skill]"watch yourself"[/skill] or [skill]"shields up"[/skill]. Also you dont have an elite yet, correct? edit: Huh cant get the skill icons to work all the time, maybe its my spelling. And after reading description on defensive stance, eh, shield stance is better for your build. Last edited by Wirt; Mar 13, 2008 at 05:07 PM // 17:07..

Mar 12, 2008, 09:24 PM // 21:24	#3
Wirt Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2007 Guild: Conscripts of Ascalon Profession: W/	It depends on which is better. Obviously if the enemy has greater than 50% health, galrath is better. If its below 50%, I prefer <25% then Final is better so you get the kill over with. Usually if i have both skills on my bar, I make sure I expire all the adrenaline skills then hit with final, that way you dont lose too much in losing all adrenaline. In terms of which to take, i have several builds that use both galrath and final, but mess around with it and come up with a build that you are effective with.

Mar 12, 2008, 09:25 PM // 21:25	#4
matsif Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2006 Guild: Warriors of Factions [WOF] Profession: E/Me	its really a horse a piece IMO, when I used sword I used final thrust because most of the time by the time I had the 10 adrenaline for it, the enemy I was focused on was below the 50% req for double damage, so it turned out better I switched to axe tho, and I prefer it to sword now that I started using it. sword is only good for ripostes for farming builds, general PvE I think its better for axe.

Mar 12, 2008, 09:32 PM // 21:32	#7
the kurzick eater Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: 1323 lancelot dr. greenwood PA Guild: wat Profession: Mo/	final thrust > galwrath.. me and a guildie had a disagreement with this lately too... and final thrust is just a better skill in general for PvP

Mar 13, 2008, 01:52 AM // 01:52	#9
ogre_jd Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Canadia Profession: W/	Galrath Slash is way too expensive for what it does. Give me Power Attack any day. Even with "For Great Justice!" it takes too long for Galrath Slash to fill up - could likely do two, perhaps even three (since you might miss on a couple of the regular melee attacks), Power Attacks in that time to do a lot more of damage and help get the foe below 50% for your Final Thrust or other spiking adrenaline skill.

Mar 13, 2008, 06:34 AM // 06:34	#10
Kale Ironfist Jungle Guide Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Australia Guild: Venatio Illuminata [VEIL] Profession: W/	Why not? It has a better bonus damage until you reach 16 attribute at a lower adrenaline cost.

Mar 13, 2008, 04:16 PM // 16:16	#12
The Meth Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2007 Profession: R/	Personally, I would go with Galrath over Final Thrust for PvE. The reason being that you don't need spike damage in PvE, you need consistent, sustainable damage. Now, comparing it to other skills, Sun and Moon Slash is usually better then galrath slash, because two attacks = two adren, it is unblockable, and the extra attack almost makes up for not having + damage. Body Blow is also generally superior to Galrath Slash, if we assume a 14/12 sword/strength distribution, both Body Blow and Galrath do the same +damage per adrenaline, and Body Blow will have the opportunity to inflict a deep wound (which is absolutely devastating) and more often skill uses lets your strength bonus come into play more (which is admittedly, rather minor). And if you have the spare energy in your buld, power attack beats galrath easily.

Mar 13, 2008, 04:31 PM // 16:31	#13
House Silvermoon Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New York City Guild: Retired Profession: W/E	both skills are kinda sucky overall. i used to use them but i've since then found replacements for them.

Mar 13, 2008, 06:26 PM // 18:26	#19
Wirt Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2007 Guild: Conscripts of Ascalon Profession: W/	Problem with [skill]disciplined stance[/skill] is it cancels when you use an adrenaline based skill. Since you have a mixed bar of energy and adrenaline skills, it wont work too well. Thats why shield stance may be better for your build, only problem is the 33% slower movement. So I guess your got to weigh the pros and cons, or modify the build to use skills to their fullest.

Mar 13, 2008, 06:30 PM // 18:30	#20
Racthoh Did I hear 7 heroes? Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)	Final Thrust > Standing Slash > Galrath Slash.